Warblers and wrens, hymn at my throat, shook and quivering. The Grammy-winning singer, songwriter and guitarist from Green Hill, Ala., made headlines in 2021 for requiring proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative COVID test to attend his concerts. AMANDA SHIRES: (Singing) Youre leaving now through the hole of an argument. GROSS: Well, thank you for doing that. I remember thinking, Wow, theres a lot of potential for me to really mess this up.'. Elizaveta Porodina/Courtesy of the artist, Naming The Beast: Jason Isbell And Amanda Shires On Speaking Up In 2017. As Delta Variant Spreads, Artists and Venues Scramble to Keep Concerts Safe (Rolling Stone), Live Nation Allows Artists to Require Vaccination or Proof of Negative Test Result for U.S. Concerts (Variety), This is a BETA experience. But this part of my life in our marriage was difficult. The spurs of hip bones Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR. The timing of The Problem and the fact that its benefiting the Yellowhammer Fund are both important, as draconian, punitive abortion laws have been enacted in Alabama and neighboring states in the last year. GROSS: With the Texas Playboys when youre performing with them or something that you learned from one of your teachers but that really made you fall in love with the style and that epitomizes what that style is. These really arent personal. The former Drive-By Truckers newfound sobriety, a recurring topic of discussion (and of his exceptional songwriting), may have cost him some of his sense of adventure, but it has undoubtedly focused his attention on his craft. Bergen is a reporter for Bloomberg Businessweek. So it was just like a week and a half or two weeks afterwards that Texas banned abortion. Isbell said he had to cancel his Asheville shows scheduled for Jan. 11-12, but he and his team are working to reschedule shows in Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre and Wilmington. My focus stays strong I can work on a song for six or seven hours in one day, and not get bored or tired of it.. I had to spend the night with her at work. Thats the trick.. In "Leave It Alone," a song introduced by a brittle, programmed loop and a jangly, arpeggiated guitar figure, she elegantly describes exploring a new lover's body: "Hands find the places where they've never been, to know for themselves new surfaces / And mine, they've got a mind of their own / I can't leave it alone." Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. Teaching himself to hear his own songs objectively has been one of the harder lessons to learn, he says: Its impossible to get that distance for me. SHIRES: So I thought if I could write a song with my feelings in it, that it might bring him around to the walls that arent really walls that we put ourselves behind sometimes. The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time SHIRES: (Singing) If you want a lover, Ill do anything you ask me to. Live Nation also announced a vaccination requirement for employees entering events, venues or offices, which will take effect October 4. Our business and our industry is about uniting people, and vaccines are one of the greatest tools for making sure that everyone can continue to enjoy live music together, CEO Michael Rapino wrote to the companys employees. And I said, yeah, I feel like theres not a lot happening there emotionally for me. And when I would write these songs, it was never in my mind, oh, I have to record them. It's not often in country musicor pop music for that matterin which an artist addresses a very personal and sensitive subject like abortion through a song. The subject isnt talked about enough, Shires says. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid- feeling fine but well have to cancel the next few shows (Asheville, Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre, and Wilmington). And I was like, thats what I want to do, because you play this song. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. Tommy Duncan was the singer. At age 34, hes got the baggy eyes of a man who has spent a lot of time thinking hard late at night. Amanda Shires. I just feel like that invites a lot of conversation and questions, you know, into our marriage and our relationship. We have to work hard now to mobilize and help people vote. It doesnt have to be Im Your Man. I just know that youve done that. Shes also one of the founders of the group The Highwomen. And in this certain period of time, there was a lot. GROSS: Lets take another break here. What happened between now and then? It was Fault Lines.. So thanks to them as well. Im not joking. I was snared by your wrist. Im your Amanda. And we met. Shires new album, Take it Like a Man, includes several songs she wrote during a rough period in her marriage to musician Jason Isbell. So its probably important to stay alive before you start questioning your liberty.. Are they just going to sit around and drink beer? I think thats what people keep forgetting. I would have died had this procedure not been available to me. GROSS: So how seriously were you taken by the musicians in the band? Her new album is Take It Like a Man. Soon after a Supreme Court draft ruling that would overturn Roe v. Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. GROSS: Oh, yeah. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. I would like to challenge other folks who have platforms to actually use them. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. Im going to change the subject here. Then I get to the end of the recording process and try to decide what makes the best collection of songs. But, yeah, after a while thinking about it, I got more comfortable with it. Theres nothing left to fix. Since starting I So Lounging, Shires YouTube following has grown 300 percent. Its all control.. Well, why dont you sing some of it for us? SHIRES: Oh, yes, Mercy is my daughter. For the latest news, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Former Drive-By Trucker is enjoying a breakout moment with new album 'Southeastern'. On August 10, my life was savedthese are some dark days.. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. And thats when the fertilized egg stays in the fallopian tube. SHIRES: I forced myself in that position. I hope you get well soon. Isbell responded, Thank you Aimee. And Bob Wills was, like, the father of Western Swing, which combined country music and jazz. Im going to play fiddle and Im going to sing in. I also received responses from trolls. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. People will have to prove that they have been raped. And, you know, she. Moon, in all your splendor. While the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made this Highwomen be a thing. And I thought if Im going to get any rest, Im going to have to do something about this. Our guest will be Mark Bergen, author of the new book Like, Comment, Subscribe in which he reports on how YouTube ushered in a world of abundant content and creativity of influencers and online hustlers, of information overload and endless culture wars. She co-founded the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. And Id sit on his porch. In the first half of the 20th century citizens from every walk of life gathered at the Ryman to enjoy the greatest preachers, entertainers, speakers and politicians of the day. You know, its Jimmy Webbs song originally, but. I was learning orchestra and classical music in school and privately. SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. Thank you for your songs. Amanda Shires. Amanda Shires (born March 5, 1982) is an American singer-songwriter and violin player. She has performed as a member of the Texas Playboys, Thrift Store Cowboys and Jason Isbell & the 400 Unit, as well as in a duo with Rod Picott. Shires has released six solo albums, her most recent To The Sunset on the Silver Knife label in 2018. And then, really, while the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made The Highwomen be a thing. Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Amy Salit, Phyllis Myers, Sam Briger, Lauren Krenzel, Heidi Saman, Therese Madden, Ann Marie Baldonado, Thea Chaloner, Seth Kelley and Susan Nyakundi. And this is the iteration of the band Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys, which got their start in they were most famous in the 30s and 40s and 50s. It seems like a simple thing to say, but its really true. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. Upcoming Dates Past And she was also holding down a day job as a single mom. I didnt want to do more damage. And I hadnt heard the fiddle being played at all. I got up to sing, and I was like, oh, crap. As it turns out, it did start some conversations within our own families. Since writing that op-ed, I have had reproductive healthcare that some might call an abortion when I was hospitalized in Texas on August 9, 2021, with a ruptured fallopian tube caused by an ectopic pregnancy. And thank you so much for having me as a guest. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid, the Alabama-born artist tweeted Tuesday. No way. Shires plays fiddle in the band. Not standing up for folks is not helping and its not right. It felt like maybe wed both leave at the same time. In an interview on MSNBC Monday, Isbell stated the response he has received from people who work at the venues and in the music business has been positive because they understand we could go back to not working at all, adding that smaller venues might not be able to reopen if they go through another round of shutdowns. And I said, yes, Id love to. Being from Muscle Shoals is kind of like having a cool tattoo or something., After getting sober, writing and recording the new album felt more natural to me, says Isbell, lighting a cigarette as seagulls caw overhead. And the character you wrote yourself out to be, the flagship all part of my fooling. However, Rapinos memo notes that Live Nation and artists can only make vaccines a requirement where permitted by law. Artists performing at government-operated venues in states where lawmakers have prohibited vaccine mandates will be prohibited from enforcing such measures. When I would write the songs, I dont know whats going to come out, but sometimes I was just so down that the only way I could get better was to take it out on writing a song., Shires sings and plays fiddle throughout this interview. 'Mandalorian' star Pedro Pascal, creators on new Grogu revelations and 'Last of Us' comparisons, Saved by the bell: Contestant ordered to keep mask on, in historic 'Masked Singer' first, Chris Pine admits 'it does look' like Harry Styles spit on him but this is what actually happened, Rebel Wilson 'collapsed' after Ramona Agruma proposal: 'I was so overwhelmed', Amy Grant recalls being 'so scared' to return to touring following serious bike accident. GROSS: One of the things I love about his music is the way he combined the spiritual and the profane in his songs and the spiritual and, like, anger and resentment and despair. And I was really into that.. Amanda Shires was named emerging artist of the year at the 2017 Americana Music and Honors Awards Ceremony. Someone saw me sleeping naked in the noon sun. GROSS: You grew up in Lubbock, Texas, and Mineral Wells, Texas. We want to hear it. That one speaks to me. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. "Maybe it was circumstance, but I saw my chance and I took it," she boasts, her tone fuzzed-out by distortion. Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. I heard in 22 songs, one womans voice I heard. GROSS: So you ended up, like, accompanying him. And after we recorded it, he said, Thats a really good song. And I said, Thats all you have to say. And I guess when we got to the third album sequence that I had, Jason was like, why isnt Fault Lines on there? Where does that get us with our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights? (SOUNDBITE OF AMANDA SHIRES SONG, SWIMMER), GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Im glad to hear it. Her new album of original songs is called Take It Like A Man. She also co-founded the country supergroup the Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. And you got your start professionally at age 15 playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys. Cancelling shows feels awful, I know. I would have died; my daughter, Mercy, would have lost her mother; my husband, Jason, would be a widower. SHIRES: Oh, yeah. OK. SHIRES: Theres this song called Milk Cow Blues. Its blues, you know? You dont see a lot of men speaking up, and every voice is helpful. SHIRES: It was because Tommy Allsup was living in Snyder, Texas, at that time, and he was running the Bob Wills band. That last talk left me a makeup rainbow of tears, turned everything blurry. And but I think for the players in the band, they took me seriously as a player. (Singing) Time was all Id want. And Im coming for you like a hawk for the dove. GROSS: So that was Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys from 1940, their song, New San Antonio Rose, with Leon McAuliffe on steel guitar. GROSS: That sounds really, really awful. But they also understood that I was a kid. This is FRESH AIR. And I really liked it. Yeah without you asking. Why didnt more people show up and speak up? Ive found and scrounged and continued to for every interview that hes done in any form and any language. And the fallopian tube just cant it it cant expand enough to accommodate a growing fetus. And then and neither of them told us that stuff. They do tell you that going out and helping other people really helps you a lot. You had an abortion. He asserted that the band would cancel the concert if any venue refused to agree to their requirements. In 2017, for her solo work, she was named emerging artist of the year at the Americana Music & Honors Awards ceremony. But I thought, what am I going to do about that in the event that she does go into country music? The next time Jason Isbell told Amanda Shires he wanted to quit, she began talking with his manager about facilitating a trip to rehab. However, the "night-before bender" nearly broke them. Shires told WNYC Studios, "He wanted to do every drug, drink every thing, drink the moonshine, all the late night stuff, it was crazy. Members get extended access to PBS video on demand and more. When her distinctive vibrato appears on To the Sunset, as a subtle emotive tool or punctuation in her storytelling, it feels like an electrical charge shuddering through the live wire of her voice. The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time Fellow singer/songwriter Aimee Mann tweeted well wishes to Isbell: Im so sorry. But it was true. I was lucky. Every one of them except for me survived. The Highwomen were tapped as last-minute fill ins, though founding member Amanda Shires was unable to attend as she continues to recover from an emergency So Amanda, you took fiddle lessons from Frankie McWhorter, who played with Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys from 60 to 62 62 was the year that Bob Wills had a heart attack and retired for a long time from music. In the past, white men have said otherwise. SHIRES: (Singing) I was a healer. But she was very good at keeping a lot of secrets. Im so glad you wrote it. And I was reading mine. And usually that works. Chris Tompkins, a high school friend who has co-written mainstream country hits including Carrie Underwoods Before He Cheats and Florida Georgia Lines Get Your Shine On, says Isbell seemed on a different level even back when they were covering Stairway to Heaven together. I got to a certain age and realized I couldnt be Indiana Jones.. And tell us how. And while I I know the voice that I have is what I have. I like to play pool, he says. I was like, Thats what I want to do, because you play this song and then you get to improvise you just play what you feel within the chord. It goes, (singing) I woke up this morning, and I looked out my door. When the band step back from their microphones to begin the extended breakdown, Isbell smiles like a boy on a great adventure. Ive been around so many people for so long who were. So Im going to ask you to play one more song from your new album, to perform it for us. SHIRES: Well, that was that parts a secret, Terry. Oh, I could have crowed. But theres a medication you can take that aborts the fertilized egg from your fallopian tube. Video Playlist: Drive-By Truckers Play Pared-Down Southern Rock, You can still find those adventures if you surround yourself with the right people, Isbell tells Rolling Stone, sitting at a picnic table on the roof of the Port City Music Hall in Portland, Maine, where hell perform in a couple of hours, a few days after his Newport set. SHIRES: I didnt know anything about them. It took me a minute to really learn how to improvise, Shires says of those early years. You can say its all my fault. I dont have certain kinds of fatigue. Essentially, shes just a good person. I mean, only just now nine months later, interestingly enough have I returned to having normal periods. SHIRES: The audience really never went wild over me because it took me a minute to really learn how to improvise. And after we recorded it, he said, thats a really good song. How did you manage to do that? Probably nobody enjoys it as much as I do, but its not a necessity for survival. We would sleep on the floor in the closet there because she would do the night shift, because she would was going to school in the daytime for being a nurse. And she was like, I had no idea. GROSS: That your Father had spent 25 years in Alcatraz? JASON ISBELL: (Singing) What do you want to do? SHIRES: Thank you so much. And any policing will disproportionately affect people of color, low-income folks and other marginalized groups. Some of the reason [The Problem] is only coming out now is fear on my part, and Ill admit that. As they talked, Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires say they've turned in their memberships with the Country Music Association, due to the organization's "failure" to acknowledge the Lawrence Rothman has been a model of self accepting themselves. I didnt believe it. Then her character takes control of the exchange in a teasing tone. And it was much safer for us to sleep in the closet with the TV at the bail bonding place than to be left to her own devices at home. Its not competition, Isbell makes clear with a chuckle. And I also want to thank Zack Sedgefield for playing guitar and also Diana Walsh, who engineered your end of the music and the conversation from your home studio in well, outside of Nashville. I hope that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it causes such a fucking uproar that we end up with more rights than we had before. Its a great song, so I thought wed play some of it. For those who are unfamiliar, it is impossible for an ectopic pregnancy to go to term. And she came over and I showed her. GROSS: The bail bondsmen are often their offices are often located in a very low-rent part of town. Jason Isbell, Amanda Shires to Serve as Record Store Days 2023 Ambassadors. So to give listeners a sense of Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys, listeners who dont know who they are, this is a classic 1940 recording of New San Antonio Rose., (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, NEW SAN ANTONIO ROSE), BOB WILLS AND HIS TEXAS PLAYBOYS: (Singing) Deep within my heart lies a melody, a song of old San Antone (ph) San Antone where in dreams I live with a memory beneath the stars, all alone. You have your fiddle with you. Maybe I was asking for a little too much. And then you also get to play you get to improvise, which is when you go off the page, as they say, or you just play what you feel within the chords. This is FRESH AIR. It was it took Dave Cobb and it took Brandi, and then it took Natalie and Maren Morris. Theyre just songs because everybody goes through troubles in their relationship. So I dont have to go trying to learn all these other things. You can have as much fun. GROSS: I think its time for another break. Weve had legal abortions for 50 years and now, suddenly, a long-held right will be illegal. SHIRES: Oh, I would have had to find somebody to drive me to Mexico or somewhere else. Since publishing my op-ed, Ive heard from some folks who are in their eighties. Theres still just as much awe.. And this is can I ask you to perform Fault Lines, to do an excerpt of it? However, you can still listen with the Spotify or Apple Music playlist at the bottom of the page. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. feeling fine but well have to cancel the next few shows, He then shared his symptoms and expressed his gratitude for getting vaccinated: Lotta sinus drainage type stuff, scratchy in my throat and some muscle aches but no cough or breathing issues fyi. When I wrote my first piece for Rolling Stone, Id had an abortion before. Is a chrysalis a butterfly? It was keeping me up at night. This has been the hardest year. Its a lot like writing a song about it. But anyway so I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering. And I was really into that. The tracks release SHIRES: Sure. So by the time I went into the hospital, my fallopian tube had already ruptured. You can call me serious trouble. 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And it took me back to the reason I came to writing and doing music in the first place, which is expression and trying to do something for me that could make me make sense, I guess. Can you play something that you think kind of epitomizes the style that you learned and fell in love with? Life cant help but interfere. There were probably 2,500 people, and Im just standing there with a guitar, elevated and facing everyone. Copyright 2023 Penske Business Media, LLC. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. They all feel good, he says of making records, and they all feel really bad when youre working, simultaneously.. GROSS: Amanda Shires, how did you decide you wanted to write a song about abortion? Thats the song Faultlines, performed by Amanda Shires with Zach Setchfield on guitar in Amandas home studio outside of Nashville, Tenn. Thats one of the songs on her new album, Take It Like a Man. So lets talk about that song a little bit. And as it happened, eventually the auxiliary cable quit working in the van. On August 9, 2021 my fallopian tube ruptured. Jason Isbell Releases Death Wish' From New Album And Tommy said, if you can hold down that lower third harmony and Id love to, you know, have that spot filled. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? We have Olivia Rodrigo and Phoebe Bridgers speaking up, and Ariana Grande. SHIRES: I really do feel like he did a lot of work for me that I dont have to do. 99.99%. She makes the decision before it gets to the point where she makes a mistake, and I like that. Thats abundantly clear on his breakout new album, Southeastern, one of the years best in any genre. When we overturn Roe, we risk going back to, Oh, now same-sex marriages cant happen. People are still going to get abortions, and were going to have to keep peoples secrets, and house people, and try to do the best we can. And so I just had to get emergency surgery to remove the tube and clean the blood from inside of my body. Im on your side. GROSS: Oh, I wish he could have heard you do it. Hearing these stories, I think that it makes your backbone stronger. To keep the newness from wearing off, for every start theres gonna be a stop. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. Her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. The majority of people are in favor of womens reproductive rights and health; its others were trying to get to. Shes not really a rock & roll kid, for lack of a better term. Some people are upset at the way iPhones charge. SHIRES: Well, myself and Brandi wrote the song. Jason Isbell will put his tour on hold after announcing he tested positive with for COVID-19. I dont care if somebody wants to put a target on me. 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