There's like no conversation I'd rather be in. Outside of that, let's assume that we don't get that ever, or anytime soon, and we're looking at increasing endogenous processing capacities of the system. And so, the inside of the brain is that now, again, started to do some state practices, and you'll see that there's some of that. Following his high school education, Daniel enrolled at the Maharishi University of Management. Let's take the way it's been used in military, or any other kind of institution. Don't articulate yourself understanding in these languages handed it to you. He do's it as a slip in his book. And most of the time when we think about developing our intelligence, we're thinking about how we can be a better tool. Like a growing tree, many branches, like the darwinian metaphor. 5946 Priestly Dr., STE 104 And I think, you don't want to put a square peg in a round hole. The far-ranging 3-hour conversation explored, among other topics, how AI-powered, advertising-driven social media platforms pose a significant threat to democracies. But still thinking about growing them. Ecosystem is a complex system. So again, we are back to the humanities, and we're back to yeah. And so, I think some people may be willing to live with a kind of truncated whole set of skills, and a kind of withered limb as it were, in order to have this super strong branch over here holding up something that needs to be held up. Founding Member of The Consilience Project, Albert Lin - Bio, Married, Bible, Expeditions & Lose His Leg, What I learned about being a man from my Dad. They know how to follow investigative patterns independently. There are a few kind of neural hacking methods that have some early indicators that they elevate IQ. Daniel Schmachtenberger Height He is a man of average stature and stands at a height of 5 ft 8 in (Approx. Schooling sometimes can be, sometimes not so much. So, when we think about hyper specialization within a very specific line, and maybe even a specific subset of the line, versus some cross-training that leads to different kind of journalistic capacities. However, he has dedicated an essay about his father titled 'What I learned about being a man from my Dad,' uploaded on the website. Human's ability to develop and use tools is one of our greatest strengths - yet has also led to increasing destruction of the natural world. So, thank you. Daniel's photo So, there are many people who are radically skilled at building, really quickly, skills up this hierarchy of skill. It's changeable, and so your yoga might be affecting some of those things through the breath, through the parasympathetic processes that are happening from the slow movement, and [inaudible 00:55:02] from the vagal stimulation that might happen. What can we trust? And it means supervening on the traditional research academy, in blurring those boundaries. The interests include ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal. Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue. So, forgive my clumsiness with it. And so, this is important. That is just one way those qualities can be expressed.". Connect on Twitter , LinkedIn , Instagram , Facebook , Reddit , or join mailing list . And journaling has actually extremely important developmental catalyst, which is to say witness at all. And so I'm not a big fan of the instrument itself. Maybe it's a good article, maybe it's not, but literally the action of doing that is different from sitting with a book for 45 minutes. Which is to say, one of the most important things you can focus on is the nature of development itself, and the nature of your own learning. I've heard some stories of Niels Bohr being a very slow thinker, but having a slow process that led to profound originality. And it was a number line. Einstein's reading Spinoza, and playing violin in a little philosophical reading group as a patent clerk before relativity. We are focused on making groundbreaking products for health and well-being through complex systems science. And so when you get these sweeping studies about IQ differences across let's say race or nationality, or these things, it's like you can't really make inferences about anything innate or genetic here, because we are looking at, malnourished. And he was like, nope. I don't think that means you need to intervene necessarily, in some drastic chemical way. We dive into the existential risks threatening humanity, and how we can mitigate them. Or complex causation. Cover letters should be no more than 500 words. So this is why you need layers of self-reflection. But they have to ask now. Daniel S.: You just defined a number of important concepts. Culture that's informing the mind is a complex system. But he couldn't tie his shoes, or really do anything else functionally. So, one of the things that are wanting, is that people don't keep trying to just optimize the total amount of wheat yield of their mind, but they're actually seeking to optimize a lot more complex set of things, where you wouldn't even really call it optimizing. And so there's a long Legacy, which of course Gould out, of how this got tied into the Eugenics movement. So, this is the first of these dialogues. Because, what does it measure means, well what's there to measure? It's a bookmark. The information on this site is for educational purposes only and should not be considered medical advice. But one of the other distinctions was intrinsic versus extrinsic value. He's the kind of IQ guy who goes to just do math, and blah blah blah. How do you assess each of those differentially? So, there's kind of near and far transfer problem, and that led to the issue of possible basic structures underlying the deeper branches in this tree of development. Zach is a very good friend, and really brilliant and innovative thinker. But it's also changing over the course of the lifespan drastically, and I already sketched that hierarchy from the sensorimotor to the representational, to the abstract, to the principal, to the axiomatic. And then, there are problems people don't even know. You can also mistake the numbers for reality, with the quantified-self too. So then, and yet it is less clear as far as AGI goes, if we will get valley crossing in the same way. And this is very important aspect of modernity and it was hugely liberating and things like public health. He added, "One does not need to run towards bullets to be someone who lives with deep integrity and is in service to life. Class of 2001. The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal. If someone's body is actually hurting, they have physical pain because of their bad computer ergonomics posture, or whatever it is, then we know that pain is mediated via chemistry and nerve signals, so you're going to be having continuous noise input into the nervous system. I think advertisement is great one. So you can be smart in the morning, and not smart at late evening, or vice versa. And we see this all the time, so it's like you'll have a meditation practice that you leave somewhere when you go to work. Either so that we can crush the competition, or make more money, or raise in some corporate ladder, like be better at some tasks that we can be externally valuable. Daniel is a deep thinker. And I mean, the one lesson about the mind is that I think uniqueness, unicity, which is to say that you don't know. Mind, brain, and education. What are the psychic toxins that you want not to be eating, as far as intelligence is concerned? And so, some people are gifted at building in mathematical intelligences, which is to say they can move up and down this hierarchy of complexity, and abstraction, they can do that in math really well. And how does that correlate to reality? Speak to that. And it's about that zone of proximal development, or the quote Goldilocks, which is that zone that's not too hard, but not too easy. The kind of stuff that you push around in space and time. Yeah. Now, I think the reason why that's not true sometimes, is because as I said, if you take someone who's got that, and throw it in an extra spice of something, that they may not even be in their environment, because precisely there that high IQ guy, who gets kept away from those things. No, absolutely. He thought this was just an instrument, just to use to sort kids in useful way, in the public interest. And we're going to have to radically rethink a lot of things. The IQ tests are a nightmare. And when it comes to changing intelligence, or growing intelligence, there's so much. You talked about the kind of quanta and the quality. You can do it in a structured way, and there's whole approaches to doing that, but I found it to be valuable for people that I know in for myself. So, there's a uniqueness factor, and there is a kind of, where does the puzzle piece fit factor? So you can be smart in the morning, and not smart at late evening, or vice versa. Best 17 Quotes by Daniel Schmachtenberger. I think there are ways to do it that are, like or saying, brain entrainment, that are not let's say cognitive behavioral therapy, but much more like letting the brain kind of perceive itself as it were, and work in that way. So, Rubik's Cube is obviously problem solving. And there's something like 7,000 genes that we've identified actually have epigenetic modulation with different forms of exercise. His thoughts became particularly influenced by his collaborators, most notably Jordan Hall, Forrest Landry, and Zachary Stein. And that's just I think, part of the picture. Well they actually be more likely to have novel developments in physics as a scientist, or might they just be great at puzzles that are already defined, but not creative intelligence within that domain? But one of the other distinctions was intrinsic versus extrinsic value. Which is about, what's a good person? So, that maps all the way up and abstractions of that kind? And we're going to have to radically rethink a lot of things. In terms of excellence, what used to be in terms of machines that can out play a violin or whatever. Zachary Stein: Right. Daniel Schmachtenberger Daniel is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue. And he had this incredibly simple study, where he showed if you introduced inner-city kids to the number line, before any other mathematics, which by the way they don't get, because they don't have calendars hanging on the wall. My name is Daniel Schmachtenberger. We know there are still these levels, but it's not like one big jump up. Gurteen Knowledge Blog I blogged recently about the Consilience Project co-founded by Daniel Schmachtenberger. And then you get the metrics that work, and then those are scary for a different reason. If you enjoy it, consider rating it 5 stars. So good, it's the numbers are great if they're measuring something that's there. In this fourth installment of conversations with Daniel Schmachtenberger, we dive deeper into the nuances of humans using energy, materials and technology. And census taking, and other areas where mathematics liberated us into this new realm of social engineering. But in the space of educational abundance, where your unique skill profile that you have as potential, could actually be expressed. And I think a lot about measurement in general, and one of the things that does is that we can trick ourselves. Daniel S.: Independent of what you're sitting, studying, just focusing for a period of time, focused in the muscle of focus, whether it's changing neural structures and the [inaudible 00:45:19] of it, or whatever it is. So you get someone like Erds in math, Who develops graph Theory in a way that no one else was even close. 1 . So yeah, so that's a good insight. And there's many great histories of IQ testing. And so, what was first just an instrument used to sort children to get them special attention with no psychological theory accompanied, that it was a-theoretical. There's a technology, a website called Zing up. So, you're now into a degree of abstraction that requires not relating with just sensorial reality, but that requires mapping to sensorial reality in a different way than the intra, or interpersonal domains will. Ecosystem is changing. So, it's drastically over simplified. Addition again, it's about the standardization of the second metrics over their value. Dr. Stein discusses the limitations of the IQ test, the nature of cognitive development, and how to think about human intelligence in a more complex way. Right, yeah. [crosstalk 00:47:51] the consumer devices. But it's clear that there are differences, and there are things that are harder to change, and things that are more malleable. Neurons. There's a thought that's really interesting to me, which is a non-zero-sum. Towards these ends, hes had particular interest in the topics of catastrophic and existential risk, civilization and institutional decay and collapse as well as progress, collective action problems, social organization theories, and the relevant domains in philosophy and science. So, there's the time before kids understand causality. And so when you get these sweeping studies about IQ differences across let's say race or nationality, or these things, it's like you can't really make inferences about anything innate or genetic here, because we are looking at, malnourished. They have to be. Studied Mathematics at Maharishi International University. I think it's a [inaudible 01:03:52] because these are deep questions and a philosophy of education. You just defined a number of important concepts. Beautiful. Daniel S.: The weird turning pro, as opposed to what was previously right? And there's a few assessment options at lectica, which they get that spectrum from abstraction and complexity in particular, and these can be useful for some self diagnosing purposes. And you say, computers could get fairly good at that, without simple grounding problem issues. He mostly investigated that line. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page. They know what excites them. Which is to say, you get that, and then you move beyond it, and you include getting the extrinsic skill, you include that within this broader project that's intrinsic. Which is still a higher, more abstract in that domain. Why is that a capacity of the brain? Thank you so much nora bateson and Daniel Schmachtenberger for your beautiful conversation on learning how to be in the world. Obviously kind of need to address that as its own thing, but for people who like, a lot of people are coming to neural hacker right now because they're interested in optimizing their own capacity. And you're like whoa. There's always going to be extrinsic motivation, but if that's all you have, it can become very difficult. Zachary Stein: Yeah, the intensional crossing of the line, and a space not of scarcity, where you're frantically trying to keep your job and how could I possibly take up yoga, right? I'm curious to hear your thought on something. I think part of it comes from my caution around the assessment, which is to say, the DSM is a nightmare. It is not self-repairing, not self-organizing, and not adaptive. You need to actually co-opt the opioid cycle, the dopamine opioid cycle, into these learning these virtuous Cycles, as opposed to things, like for example a video game. And then they come to understand causality. Simplified the Solvency II Pillar 3 Solution Architecture, improving data flow and reconciliations. Yeah, so the first question, that's again one of these questions that comes up with the IQ testing. So, I'm curious as you forecast into the future, and you think about some of the developmental possibilities, there's obviously pretty wild future tech scenarios that are actually getting not that far out, right? Suggest avoiding those websites for the [crosstalk 00:44:31] has in mind. So learn about the nature of learning scientifically, but also learn about your own unique learning needs and patterns. I extracted the personal development work Daniel proposes from a podcast he did with Collin Morris's Zion 2.0 titled: #36 A Republic, If You Can Keep It, with Daniel Schmachtenberger. Which is to say, intelligence is consciousness operating the world. I've been really intrigued by the meditation research that's coming out of Madison, Wisconsin. How should we think about intelligence? He had obviously allocated, something had happened where all of the horsepower was allocated in a way that created real novel value. In terms of excellence, what used to be in terms of machines that can out play a violin or whatever. There are a number of short blog articles on more personal topics, originally written as, Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of, Motivated by the belief that advancing collective intelligence and capacity is foundational to the integrity of any civilization, and necessary to address the unique risks we currently face given the intersection of globalization and exponential technology, he has spoken publicly on many of these topics, hoping to popularize and deepen important conversations and engage more people in working towards their solutions. And so, there's this long continuous history of the use of these forms Of quote intelligence testing, not really for scientific research about intelligence, but for the organization of Educational Systems, and large scale Bureaucracies, like the army. And that analogy is so apt, because the monoculture of agriculture, came around the same time that we got these mass post-war high schools. Similar to that transfer thing we discussed before. So, that's important. Finite And Infinite Games James P. Carce, The Collapse Of Complex Societies Joseph A. Tainter, Gdel, Escher, Bach Douglas R. Hofstadter, Operating Manual For Spaceship Earth Buckminster Fuller, The Best That Money Cant Buy Jacque Fresco. That's profound. I think advertisement is great one. We outline how our social systems and institutions need to be . He is around 50 years old, but, he keeps his personal life private. So, freeing your goals from that, transcending but including extrinsic value. It doesn't mean less than the expertise, but it means bringing more to that, and humanizing it. And it turns out that many scientists, like Einstein for example. That's measured on IQ tests. Daniel S.: Someone can have a qualified self feedback that is also wrong, where? Our content explores the key challenges and existential threats facing humanity, and the underlying problems with current approaches for addressing them. It's a very precarious situation, and it feels that way when you're trapped in a situation, tied to extrinsic value. So, do a lot of it learning and skill development, but state experience, which is to say meditative states, and other forms of flow, which is another state that's very popular these days to speak about. medical disclaimer Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and . I mean again, the assessment question is tough. So, this is wonderful. Zach, this was a blast. 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And problem finding maps to valley crossing, from a kind of evolutionary biology perspective, which Eric Weinstein says the first one is what we call excellent, the second is remarkable. And then also, what does it not measuring? Because you actually think you know what's going on, when you don't. Because it becomes the meritocracies yardstick, and so yeah. And also, it is required to address the unique risks people currently face because of the intersection of globalization and exponential technology. And so, that's another. Someone can have a qualified self feedback that is also wrong, where? And so, you're not learning. So I think the first issue is too kind of fill that out, but just to say to fill out the rest of your profile of what you're capable of doing. So that means, that whatever we thought was maybe genetically attributable as innate, is also not fixedly innate. 2022 We have these newfangled [inaudible 00:09:18] And some problems have been solved with objectivity and reliability, which were the first big concerns. And thus, the advice I give to most of my friends who have kids, separate learning from schooling. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[580,400],'biographyhost_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_2',114,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-biographyhost_com-medrectangle-3-0'); He initiated the project to improve the health and development of individuals and society to foster a relationship between them. This says we need to look into that, just like the SAT and the GRE. And this is one of the questions that drove the Neo-Piagetian audience. I think the brain and the body shouldn't be separated at all, and I think one of the limits to contemporary nerve science is that separation. But what's interesting, and Howard wrote a book called Creative Minds, and basically this book is about this question. So, the IQ test was really just a very gross sorting mechanism comic created in France, to find those kids who needed special attention. So, if you have a basic income guarantee, kind of integral social safety net, and some of these other social miracles that I've written about, we would look at something like a broad raising of the floor of quote general intelligence just because so much as a result of that. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. Off of normal assessment curves. The project team have now launched the Consilience Project beta site The project aims to facilitate a cultural renaissance, developing the full human capacities and orientations needed for effective, emergent governance adequate to the novelty and scope of the current problems And again, that's both the kind of brilliance of the IQ, and the tragedy, was that it's simplified this incredibly complex thing to a single number, which was useful, was also dangerous, but yeah, the mind is not like that. Daniel is seen as a leader of the growing Game B subculture of the human potential movement. And this is the situation we're in, and so we need to start looking at these much different forms of intelligence. I think what we're looking at now are kind of truncated skill profiles, wear a lot of potentials are not expressed for a variety of reasons. Please do not message me directly. He also deals with progress, collective action problems, social organization theories, and the relevant domains in philosophy and science. But they're doing them for their own reasons. And that's one of my concerns with the quantified-self design, do you know the measurement errors on your tools? So, the kind of concrete, utopian vision of the future of intelligence, would be one where the broad-based line is raised in a huge way. 05:13 - Superorganism. I saw one study on genetics that looked at people with above 170 IQ, old genome assessments, and I think what it said was, no individual snips made had high correlation, but there were patterns, [inaudible 00:40:52] patterns across the whole genome. And now many of those people will not change a lot in terms of taking their IQ test. And there are hierarchies of abstraction of dance, if you've seen a skilled answer, what you have is someone who's supervening on a lot of possible moves, and building this trajectory towards an aesthetic experience. And so, I'm saying not engage fully with the culture, but be mindful that you can have junk food for your mind you can have junk food for your body. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'biographyhost_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_7',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-biographyhost_com-medrectangle-4-0'); Also Read About -Albert Lin - Bio, Married, Bible, Expeditions & Lose His Leg. Solution is We. I'm so, and some institutional, text, it's very valuable. Not much is known about Daniels family but, he has dedicated an essay about his father titled What I learned about being a man from my Dad. He had mentioned in the writing that his father was like a god to him when he was a kid. So that's the equalitative assessment, and you can keep a running log in your own head, but writing it down helps, gets it out. And a lot of people don't realize that the IQ test was then prettied up, and complicated a little bit, taken by the educational testing service, and made into the SAT. I think the renaissance man is like a necessary for everybody. And how should we think about intelligence? There are a number of short blog articles on more personal topics, originally written as facebook notes, also shared here. 398,085 views Jun 14, 2021 Daniel Schmachtenberger is a philosopher and founding member of The Consilience Project. Problem Finding, 1:03:00 Fear of Losing Unique, Specific Capacities by Exploring other Areas, 1:05:47 Complex systems and Complicated systems, 1:12:06 Recommendations for Understanding Capacities as a Baseline, Neo-Piagetian theories of cognitive development. If only so they do better science, not so they don't do science, but so they do they can make the creative, like the guy hypothesis brings in ancient Greek myth. And they have very little interest in anything like general intelligence, and thought it was actually a concept that was dangerous. And, so I'm kind of old school methods. Using that shitty old metric, for whatever it's worth, so there is a neural feedback study that showed multiple point increase in a week of a particular form of medical neurofeedback that was statistically significant. We can just jump down the rabbit hole Dan, but we need to go. Genetics expression from various forms of exercise, and aerobic versus anaerobic, versus high intensity interval training actually affect different gene expressions. I mean, this is one of the premises of my book that's coming out soon, is that artificial intelligence and things like basic income guarantees, and radical changes in the macroeconomic structure globally, they're going to make education as we know it pretty irrelevant. Many of these can be found at civilizationemerging.com. And the therapist was like, maybe. So you get increase signal to noise of process within the organ of computation itself. Daniel Schmachtenberger. Therefore, his exact date and year of birth are not known to the public. So, there's a uniqueness factor, and there is a kind of, where does the puzzle piece fit factor? The exploration of state experiences, and the way these interface with capacity development, I think there's another place for people to come if they're topped out at a certain capacity, let's say started bringing a state practice, which brings that capacity to operate under different state, and then you'll find new potential emergence. But it's clear that there are differences, and there are things that are harder to change, and things that are more malleable. Zachary Stein: Yeah, lectica. I think that's one of the lessons here, is that the IQ test can make it seem like that's it, when in fact that the kind of basic ingredients, but as it were, in one of the areas. It's about going wider, and we already discussed this briefly, but I think, is something that people have the freedom to do in a way that never happened before, if some of these other things get sorted out. What I want to talk about, is the way that we've kind of addicted to a simplistic way of thinking about intelligence. Daniel is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue. Really, really honored and delighted to have Ken Wilber with us on the podcast [00:01:00 . Zachary Stein: Yeah, absolutely. And then how much of it is fixed? And so, I love the quantified-self and so far as it's reflective, and it creates that virtuous cycle. Yeah, I mean, I think the people at the edges of those fields don't even really think about what the disciplinary boundaries are, or ought to be. #1736 - Tristan Harris & Daniel Schmachtenberger Listen to this episode from The Joe Rogan Experience on Spotify. And you cluster those things. Right, yeah. There's a lot of studies going on regarding epigenetics. It's touching some things, it's what Roy Bhaskar, the great meta theorist, the great philosopher, the late great, he called it a demi reality, which is like, it's getting on something real, but it's a small version of what's real. How founded do you think that kind of concern, and those outlier cases is? And we are very excited to have the first conversation being with Dr. Zachary Stein. Another reason we don't have an answer to this question is because basic levels, like Maslow level one kind of like physical nutrition, and safe environments, and these things are not really available for many people.
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