My father is a Doctor and interning in the E.R. Then buy noise canceling ear muffs for about $20 because if you ever pop one off indoors it will hurt your ears. Pew Pew needs to talk to professionals rather than giving amateur opinions. Thanks for the article, and for the mature comments. I say do your research and spend time on range with both weapons and carry them both! The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. 9mm is the way to-go. Watch ballistics videos. For instance, Hornady uses a 24 barrel to test and record muzzle velocities for their 223 ammo. This is because larger bullets require more energy to be launched at a high speed. Your life depends on it. But, to add to your argument, I read about an encounter a couple of years back where a large man broke into a house and tried to attack the lady of the house and her child. My favorite, but too heavy for every day is my 4" 41 Mag Smith. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. Theres no doubt that the .45 ACP is a classic handgun thats not going anywhere in the foreseeable future, but it doesnt outperform the 9mm. They are long-distance rifle competitors and long-distance hunters. I decided to further streamline my test by using three pistols from the same manufacturer. The angle was about 45 degrees because I feared complete penetration if fired 90 degrees. Correct, I have not shot many people. Thank you! The only advantage the mode 59 has is the rear sight to adjustable for both windage and elevation . 9, 38, 40, 10, 45..they ALL have advantages..I think NONE have a substantial disadvantage. My preference is for the .45 (partly due to the fact that though I've fired a 9mm, I don't own one but mainly through greater familiarity with the .45 & having a decent stock of ammunition for same) but I don't think a person would go wrong with the 9mm & for that matter (even though it wasn't included in the comparison) the .38. But, I love good argumentsplease, continue. Regardless of its bullet weight, the 9mm provides just the kind of flat trajectory that is most conducive to accurate shooting. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". The .45 is a good caliber, and I have one or two of them. The article states that the 9mm has caught up to the 45 because of ammo advancements. Somethig to the discuters, even for an author. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. Physics got us to the moon, Im pretty sure it can calculate which bullet is more lethal. He is an active competition shooter with 14 medals from Camp Perry. And I don't think I'd feel like any of them are particularly wimpy neither, unless it was a 22lr that went through with minimal damage. Remember the reason for the .45. 9 mm gets females through the firing range. Bullet Jacket: Copper. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. A 9mm is generally cheaper, has less recoil and higher velocity than a .45 ACP. A range instructor at Camp Pendleton once told me most would-be handgun shooters would be more effective hurling the pistol itself at the enemy rather than trying to aim and fire it. But then a .22 in the eye works to. the CarryGun's G2 bullet weighs 135 grains so that it will reach optimal velocity out . Momentum equals mass times velocity. Lots of bullets. back in 1971, couple years ago! Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. However, if trained professionals only have 20-30% accuracy, it's not unreasonable to think that many of us would only have 15-20% accuracy in a self defense scenario. Close your eyes, then bring the weapon up to bear. Since most self defense situations are at close range and I mean really close range there is no need for lots of bullets. The .45 is bigger, but not that much bigger. Same old crap different day. Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. 4. I have owned both and prefer the 1911A1 style and stopping power. The .45, it started stopping threats way back in 1911 and it still does just as well today. If not please remember Grand Theft Auto is just a video game, not real life. Not a lick of science in this article. Personalize your experience. And also i want 9mm both of them. If you have a budget that, hypothetically, only allows you to fire 100 rounds at the range per visit every week/month, then that same budget will only get you 60-70 rounds with a 45. New developments not only improved the 9mm, modern 45ACP can make a 1 hole and 50% more energy delivered on target. It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. My 45 is a Sig dual tone full size 1911 and I like the weight and the 5 inch barrel. Muzzle energy is important, however, whoever said that 9mm has more muzzle energy that .45 ACP is pulling numbers of of their ass unless they are making an unfair comparison of +P 9mm to normal .45 ACP. The punishing recoil of 10mm loads also causes more wear and tear on the handgun itself, requiring parts to be replaced more frequently than with a 9mm handgun. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. Thanks in advance, I dont have a problem with the recoil of any of the calibers so thats not an issue for me. I realize these instances are rare but one things for sure i can cut a target in half with rapid shots so easily with a 1022 because of zero recoil i think i could shoot 4 rounds to 1 outta my 45. Very interesting test. I had the only 45. With a good modern defensive ammo, the 9mm is just as powerful as any .45, just in different ways. And sure it wont hurt to have extra rounds its just not necessary, people try to bring up the multiple attackers argument and the same applies, 2-4 rounds to end an attack. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). However i must say I have quite a bit of arthritic damage in both As if the 9mm is the only benefactor of "ammo advancement", well, I also have the awesome 460 Rowland which overlaps 44 Magnum power levels in a 13 round Glock 21 magazine. One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. With half coming in under 400 ft lb. With the right 357, I can achieve upwards of 1800fps in a 16 barrel. I would think soldiers in fire fights face similar circumstances, except with more opponents who may also have body armor, which would favor the 9mm further, since it pierces armor better. The purpose of gun ownership in our constitution is provide protection against tyranny. So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. Ad & Review Requests When you said buy both at the end I was thinking .45 for carry and 9mm for backup. Muzzle Energy. This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. More penetration does not mean more deadly. Velocity (FPS) Energy (ft/lb) 1135. Without the hydrostatic shock of a rifle round, wouldn't more organ and tissue damage be most important? Mr. Mudgett. question, One thing I do like about 9mm ammo that wasn't mentioned is the weight especially in bulk. This length ratio maximizes the projectile velocity. 9mm: FMJTC: 124: 396: 1200.38: SJSP: 125: 261: 970: As we can see from the charts above, the 9mm at double the pressure, translates to near double the amount of muzzle energy . You need fewer rounds to do the job so you dont get excessive force charge , so that rules out the capacity as being a decision factor in the debate . You are so lucky Benjamin. If you don't currently write articles professionally, you should consider doing so. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. Only because it's easier to hide. lbs. Everything is a compromise. "the 9mm has evolved to the current power of the 45 acp" as if there have been no developments in the 45 acp and the 45 acp has stood still. .45 all the way for me. Fast enough to hit your target and put it down. The whole point of a defensive firearm is to STOP an attacker as quickly as possible. If you can hit with one and allways misswith the others , I think I would chose the one you can make the most hits with, just from my own exsperance , I had some mild steel targets out at my home we used to shoot at all day and almost every day with .38 spl, And 9 mm, then I bought a kimber1911 Spray and pray LOL. And no a 45 will not knock you off your feet. Like I said I am a competition pistol shooter with mini trophies so I know what I am saying What a glory to shoot, minimal recoil, and excellent stopping power. We switched to Sigs P226 which was wonderful, but accuracy dropped. From target to self-defense, 9mm is an extremely diverse caliber. This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". I really hope you were joking with your statement. However, police officers can enhance the effectiveness of the 9mm by careful bullet selection. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. In fact, unlike the other calibers in this study, over half of the 9mm rounds from the 1800 bodies involved in shootings were FMJ. Velocity: 1,181 ft/s. At 3-8 yards distance, which is the most likely scenario I would find myself in need to draw, if God forbid the situation arises, aiming would be instinctive and firing would be done with one hand. This page was last edited on 24 February 2023, at 12:37. So I have 9s by SIG, Beretta, H&K, and Walther. I'm not a big guy, 170 lb, I can easily carry 2 As to increased penetration, this is only really a concern for LE. Even the training provided is usually lacking. At a 30% hit rate during actual combat (due to adrenaline and urgency of quickness) add in a fall rate like no other (45) and it drops to 20%. Do your research. The time fighting is a poor metric for how wars are won. Fragmentation occurs reliably in high-velocity projectile wounds (impact velocity in excess of 2,000 feet per second) inflicted by soft or hollow point bullets. Come to the UK. In my opinion 185 grain .45 Auto hollow points are a better pistol round than any 9 millimeter Luger out there. I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. If I did, I would either aviod the area or take a rifle. I have the M&P Shied, Glock 30. Adrenaline is not the deterrent you make it out to be, some people actually perform better when "amped up" so maybe YOU would be would be useless but you have no right to comment on anyone but yourself. Clumsy, deaf and with tunnel vision. But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. You cite physics you don't understand and claim that your opinion is fact. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. What-ever you choose.get practice. I LIKE them all. I enjoyed your post. Im in the middle of chosing a duty weapon, and settled on the PPQ. The 919mm Parabellum (also known as 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger or simply 9mm) is a rimless, tapered firearms cartridge . My 45ACP at 12 rounds was well on the way to chewing it apart. I have shot drywall and 2 inch plywood and have gotten little penetration from 5 yds with a Smith and Wesson 645. white box Winchester was the ammo.. 45 loses in every category except possibly suppression and shallow penetration, if you want to call that a pro. Im also not worried about cost when it comes to my defense, no compromise there either. Hornady.com Ammunition Handgun 9mm Luger 115 gr FTX Critical Defense . Critical duty allows barrier penetration. hang yourself an old school iron skillet for a target. Yes I have owned many 9mm, when I was younger. "My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns"..For Christ sakes, get him a pellet gun. The wound tracks of a 9mm and a .45 ACP are almost the same. One shot one kill at 30. Great article!! If he hits you, its going to hurt. I'll take the the bigger bullet. Whatever floats your boat. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. He didn't make it and when they found the round it was in his neck. "Well, this might rock your world but Id recommend getting one of each." If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. So, even if the 45 "hits harder", that only matters if your on target. Thanks for your opinion, its valid. I know most of the ammo I use will be full metal jacket so I picked 7.62 x 51 and 7.62 x 39 as my rifle calibers. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. Fair & balanced article. It isn't a miracle round. I was using a Glock 17 and really liked it. Typically, a 9mm gun muzzle velocity ranges between 950 and 1150 fps depending on the bullet load and grain of the round. Or is it just a complex but unimportant piece of data, meant for people who are seriously interested in (and can mentally tolerate) the complex physics of shooting? The 9x19mm allows you to make more holes, from a standard pistol, than a .45 caliber pistol [albeit only 2-4 more rounds in the 9mm]. So, here is the STRAIGHT skinny on the 9x19mm v .45ACP debate. Alexa analytics service - keep track on user informations. Shot placement and Round choice will be the determining factors for desired outcome. What the USA needs is a firearms amnesty where everybody just gives their guns back to be melted. However, physics will not be denied, and .45 ACP, while slower, is heavier, and will therefore break bones that 9mm would otherwise deflect off of. As they say, those who refuse to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. 9mm loads frequently deliver a muzzle energy greater than 300 ft lbs. It's all about the ammo. Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. By the end of the program, 9 out of us 12 participants said they were going to purchase a 45. All the advancement that improved the once weak 9mm have also been applied to the historically reliable and powerful 45. gear. Really? Thus, you have a yearly day qual and a yearly night/low light qual and thats it. I guarantee you I'll stop an attacker in fraction of the time you'll do it with a 9mm aiming center mass. Select what level shooter you are! Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. Years ago when 9mm was the craze I purchased a Browning model 39. For more than 30 years, the Beretta M9 and M9A1 have been the standard sidearm of the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps. But the 45 does outperform the 9mm realistically. 9mm Luger Results in fps Click here for a Muzzle Energy graph for the tests in this caliber. Both (roughly!) Standard pressure .38 Special only produces 264 foot-pounds of force (147-grain bullet at 900 feet per second . The 9mms lower cost and recoil make it an even more attractive solution for effective self-defense. Which he won't like. LEOs have completely different considerations. With the latest 9mm defensive rounds it's come down to choice not effectiveness. Not a single one of them have considered the safety, storage, training costs/requirements, responsibilty, legal implications and physical logistics of owning and carrying. Is muzzle velocity something you need to be concerned about? And by the way,the famous FBI shootout was ended by one well placed round from a frickin 38special!!! I'm still on the fence about it though. Over decades, many Ivy league graduates have gone there and it is the highest standard of law enforcement in our country. I carry both 9mm and .45 ACP (not at the same time.) One other thing of interest is that in the Buckeye Firearms study both velocity and mass increase accuracy, but again, accuracy favors calibers that can excel and one or both of these things. My Browning 1911-380 actually has a longer barrel than my Kimber 1911 Ultra CDP. Speer 124 Grain 9mm Ammo Average Velocity: 1158 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 369 ft/lbs. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. I totally agree with the author. Time matters. The .40's heavier bullet means that when fired, it has a little slower velocity. 9mm Sig Sauer 124 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point Average muzzle velocity: 1151 fps Average muzzle energy: 365 ft/lbs. Their testing shows some bullets speed up and slow down and speed up and so on, as they travel up the barrel. The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the most heated conversations in the firearms community. a G43 to an AR15 fight. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. With the 14RD+1 extension handle mag that's my HP4573. The .45 stopped them in their tracks. I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. Perhaps they can be banned for possession while in public , I could stomach that. that is much easier to deal with. If you THINK you can shoot accurately while adrenalized, then you're whistling past the graveyard. In my experience the 9 millimeter is effective to about 110 yards and semi effective beyond that. Except for maybe a BB gun! The marines and FBI went to the 9 so women could qualify because only 1 in 10 can with a 45. though they cant come out and say so. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. I was watching COPS and some ACCIDENTALLY shot a 45 at a motel, it went across a 100 foot (or so) Court yard through the Flimsy motel doors Hit a man standing up and the bullet fell into the man's POCKET!! To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. So, the muzzle velocity of a 2-inch (51 mm) barrel is less than that of a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, which is less than that of a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. FMJ loads offer a rigid design for smooth penetration that doesn't deform on impact. 3. Thank You! This is a great article period.! Enjoy your retirement. Europeans don't understand that the Democrats would introduce more gun control, and the Republicans fight against that; that there are both a pro-gun lobby and an anti-gun lobby. My 9mm compact carry S&W Shield semi-auto has a ported barrel. No more mild steel targets to shoot at, it completely deformed One important fact is the combat readiness, safety and ease of use of the 1911. In my case it was no weapons displayed (but you must always assume present) against a $h!t brick linebacker. The results are clear, and they are not mine. But can you deal with what you've done afterwards mentally? Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. Large naval guns will have high length-to-diameter ratios, ranging between 38:1 to 50:1. If a 10 round magazine is more than you would likely ever need (a homeowner), go with the 45. Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners. Loved the part about the advancements in ammunition. A miss with a .454 will not help you bring that charging animal down. Go ahead, cite your experience. The U.S. Navy was the last branch of service to go to the 9mm. Most shootouts are long range. My "house gun" of choice: .45 Long Taurus Public Defender. Because of this drop in speed, a bullet, even if placed on target, may not have the energy and momentum to perform effectively. Not taking a side but this is akin to 45 vs 357. The 1911, in my opinion, is a fantastic user friendly design. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. The difference between the two cartridges in size is dramatic. The pattern element in the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. This way, I can make sure that he'll have some peace when I'm trying to fire some rounds on a practice target. Over penetration matters in public too. New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? Velocity and barrel length data for 9x19mm Parabellum, also known as 9mm Luger and so on. Time to grow up and recognize the difference between feelings (nostalgia, cool factor, historical value etc) and facts. Hi Catherine. Essentially, the 9mm will recoil on average 50% less making it easier for shooters to get their sights back on target for follow-up shots. This, unfortunately takes time to accomplish. This is a debate that will go on as long as there are those who don't want to accept the laws of physics. I prefer the .40 S&W. You are right; the soul is eternal, and only God can condemn it to hell, and ultimately to "the Lake of Fire." Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. I own both calibers with two semi autos chambered for each. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. We all know the answer. As far as the size, my Colt m1991A ( .45 ) is no bigger then my S &W MODEL 59 (9MM ). As for a Defence caliper the 22 or is the most deadliest cartridge for a handgun at 375 yards I can put right between your eyes or I can put it between your ribs and put a hole in your heart. I consistently place the 45 rounds in an 8" area. I like that you said that the 9mm pistol is ideal for open and concealed carry. The best bullet will fail, if shot placement is poor. There is no perfect handgun, life always has compromises. Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. doubleclick.net - browser supports cookies. One excellent example would be the Lehigh Defense max expansion loads in either caliber. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? I'm dead. Today, modern incarnations of his cartridge significantly exceed that limit. The 9mm may take between 3 to 6 shots to achieve the same level of neutralization. Currently i own no 45,s. In most cases, there's a marked difference in bullet mass and the velocity it's moving. Karl, youve clearly done no ballistics research and are relying entirely on anecdotes and your own experience. The same tech that has caught the 9mm up to the 45 has made the 45 even more superior. [7] [8] [9] Some modern 45 jhp loads are creating wound channels on par with 12 ga foster slugs. And after all, spending more time on the range does make you a better marksman. Later I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. The 9mm features some interesting advantages. My non-silenced weapons are 9mm my silenced weapons are .45. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". This article has a ton of ballistic coefficient details but in general, the higher the number, the more aerodynamic it is. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. With boxes of 9mm Luger rounds being 30% to 40% cheaper than .45 ACP ammo, increased range time isnt going to break your budget. Not dissing the 9, in fact it's what I carry. I doubt that lady would have had time to reload. You are welcome to your opinions, but the facts are indisputable. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. Having said that, here is something to consider. And this is all before we even talk about the lack of concealability of .45 ACP double stack. Don't try to confuse the facts. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! You can claim you understand muzzle energy but you don't. On the other OTH, if you're proficient with either the 9mm or 45 AUTO, then, go with it. Modern 9mm hollowpoints nearly always expand, especially if you're using +p rounds at close range it's pretty much guaranteed. Well then YOU become the weapon. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. If the gun isn't comfortable to carry, chances are you won't every day carry, defeating the purpose. The last comment is assuming that a high velocty rifle round is a good penetrator. Its maximum pressure is 36,500 psi, which is four percent higher than SAAMIs spec for the more common 9mm Luger. A level 1 trauma center charging animal down best articles on techniques,,. 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